Smoke Free England - 1st July

So, how will the smoke free laws effect you and your game..?

Will the smoke free atmosphere of the club house appeal to you and do you think this should be extended to the course..?

As a "none smoker" I am looking forward to the 1st of July - nolonger will I stink of smoke after frequenting the club house or anywhere else for that matter.

Not sure about the smoking on the course though..So long as bingers are disposed of properly and not just flicked to the floor then why not..

Opinions...

It can only be a good thing.  Not stinking of smoke is going to be a big plus in the club house.  I may even take the mrs and little one to the club for Sunday Dinner when the ban comes in. 

As for smoking on the course, how are they going to enforce a ban on the course??  Is it classed as a public place?? 

Roll on the 1st of July 

What a pair of whingers, you both emit more toxic fumes from your cars, yet continue to panic over a little bit of cigarette smoke. Incidently I do not smoke myself and have never found it to be a problem for me.

John

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I particularly would sooner sit in a smoke free club house.

LOL John,

But I don't get the urge to stick my mouth round an exhaust and breathe in

Nothing but a load of whingers IMO. Not a mention of the crap they emit from their cars, or the disgusting behaviour from the drunkards who cannot hold their drink, honking and pissing everywhere they shouldn't. Yet a wisp of smoke and they go into one. These same people will gladly sit round the open fire in a country pub which is shoving out far more deadly toxic fumes than a cigarette, and not say a word. Nothing but hypocrites.

 John

Fortunately I don't live or frequent places that allow drunkards honking and pissing everywhere. That would be a certain put off for me even even though I am unlikely to be diagnosed with a killer decease because of their actions. Shame the police cannot do more to remove these kinds to help clean up all our streets.

Cigarettes are now a known killer, not only for the smoker but also the innocent by stander and that is why a ban in public places will be a good thing IMHO.

Open fires in country pubs don't tend to emit smoke into the atmoshere. Certainly not the ones I have been in - they have chimneys which take away the smoke - assuming smokeless fuels are not being used.

I like a pint of Fosters on a Saturday night but I wouldn't dream of pissing on someone's clothes then rubbing it into their hair....Each to their own though - not everyone will think of the comfort of others around them - thats for sure..

When i were a lad,go down t pit,do 23 hour shift,walk t 15 miles home in bare feet,cos we had no shoes...........

 ooops don't know were this is going...ah yes,forgive the old timers for they know not what they say

 Robbie,

 Interesting that even with the majority of Greeks smoking that they have the lowest heart disease rate in the whole of Europe. Kind of shoots a hole in the myth that is being pedalled around regarding smoking. I do not smoke myself, but have never found it to be a problem, as I believe in live and let live. Who the hell do you think you are to dictate about something that is legal. If you don't like it don't go near it, that is exactly what I do.

Spend some time travelling on the London Underground every day and see what you will pick up in the way of infectious diseases. Start shouting your mouth off about the number of people who die every day of MRSA because the hospital staff cannot clean the wards properly and visitors fail to wash their hands.

 Compared to this alone, smoking is way down the list of priorities.

This is a case of statitics being made to suit the government. If it was conclusively proven that passive smoking kills, then it would be fair to suggest that all those who smoke would not live past fifty, as this is not the case and we see everyday lifelong smokers in their eighties, it kind of puts this into its real perspective.

There will always be whingers who think of no one else but themselves.

Cars also kill, that is why I take care when crossing the road. The obnoxious fumes you emit from your car are far more dangerous, but because of the money made by large conglomerates in the industry, nothing is said.

 John

"Who the hell do you think you are to dictate about something that is legal. If you don't like it don't go near it, that is exactly what I do."

I am not not dictating anything John - So "who the hell do you think you are suggesting such"...!!

One minute you are saying it does not bother you and the next you say "If you don't like it don't go near it, that is exactly what I do."....Strange that,if it does not bother you then why don't you go near it...? Bit of a contradiction John me thinks. Plus aren't your basic right as a "non smoker" being infringed if you are openly admitting that you don't go near area's of such unpleasantness..?

Anyway I could go on all day and night about the proven desease's caused as a direct result of smoking and passive smoking but the majority of folk (smokers and non smokers a like) are well aware of these.

It may be legal now but come 1st July we will be "smoke free" in public places including the "club house"...Maybe we are going a wee bit off topic..

They blame lung cancer on smoking, as it is an easy get out. Cannot blame other cancers on smoking though, can they?

My grandmother died at 43 from lung cancer and never smoked in her life.

All unproven nonsense IMO, too which I am entitled.

Pity we cannot be car free on the 1st July as well.

 My wife smokes and I have never found it a problem. I could make it a problem, like some seem to do, but there are far more important things to do in life  than get paranoid over a little bit of smoke.

 I have not heard anyone clamouring for the closing down of all the power stations, whose emissions really are harmful to the general well being of the public.

As the thread starter was about the forthcoming smoking ban then I fail to see how it is off topic. Another whinge?

I suppose the next thing will be that everyone will be blaming smoking for their poor performances on a golf course.

 John

I take it,john,that you don't,or can't,drive.

Why don't you smoke,if it's not bad for your health? 

Cancers which have been clinically proven to smoking are, in no particular order, tescular cancer,prostrate cancer, cancer of the kidneys/liver, throat cancer not to mention heart problems, breathing problems, erection problems (yes erection),

Many smokers are well aware of the above facts and are keen to quit but find it real difficult to do so - others just bury thier heads in the sand  and puff away regardless.

The warnings on fag packets are not just there to cover space -they are for real...

The dangers of smoking and passive smoking are there to be seen by all and maybe this is why smoking has become so socially unacceptable now.

Must dash though - tis my saturday night of Fosters and passive smoking before unleashing myself on the course tommorrow.

You guessed it - I am in a non-smoking 3 ball.......

I will be in that non smoking 3 ball with robbie on sunday and i am pretty sure that putter of his will be smoking.

You are correct Tony, I can't drive, that is why I am 13 handicap.

John

Easy everyone, I'm sure the original post wanted opinions, not full blown arguements?!

Calm down everyone!

No lee, I don't think smokers are scum - I just think they are silly...

Yep, pickled my liver and kidneys with alcohol last night and my golf game suffered because of it but, the good thing is, It did not have any unpleasantries for the people around me..

"Calm down" he say's - yeah every one chill - have a cig even, you know you want to...

Agreed Lee - over indulging in alcohol is as stupid as smoking when considering internal organs.

Probably why I only drink once a week (if that) and why I certainly don't poison my body with chemicals.

Like wise Lee, no offence meant or taken...

To put this into perspective many years ago when you could smoke in the office my work colleague used to sit on a desk of 4 people of which 3 smoked. He was sick of all the smoke blowing his way & stinking everytime he left work so 1 day he took drastic action......the next time they lit up & started blowing the smoke he started to pick his nose & 'flick' it at them & used the argument that they were inflicting their bad habits onto him so he would do the same!!

 From then on they were more respectful.

Smokers decide to smoke, passive smokers don't get the luxury.

Pathetic.

John

I had an uncle that died a few years ago after an accident caused by a driver with too much alcohol in his blood. 

If non-smokers had seen the carnage on our roads and people in the last throes of life, perhaps they would not wish to carry on this dangerous activity in the name of pleasure.

Perhaps you can explain to me how smokers seem to be living to a ripe old age. 

John

That is the most pathetic argument I have ever heard anybody put forward in defence of smoking..

It is shamefully disrespectful to Chris's auntie .

And if you really believe that "on average" (there are exceptions in every walk of life) smokers live to ripe old age then you are really naive..

What more can be said...shameful...!!!

Chris p

Like you I take the car.

 The difference between you and I, is that I am prepared to live and let live, whereas you on the other hand wish to persecute a substantial amount of people, who smoke, because in your opinion it affects your health. Less so than the toxic fumes emanating from cars IMO, or from the pwer stations or even from usrs of mobile phones.

Don't you think that the 11 billion pounds annualy that the smokers contribute is enough to let them have a freedom of choice. You have that choice because if it affects you, then you have alternatives.

So I suggest you wake up and don't talk a load of tosh.

 John

John,your an idiot,and a fool and a hypocrite,you finally admit you drive a car,just like the rest of us planet killers 

Tony, you are a rude obnoxious loud mouth.

 Suggest you get off your high horse and stop persecuting others. We are all guilty of doing things that are bound to upset someone, but why on earth just pick on one section, like you all seem to be doing.

 Chris - If something is legal then it should not have any limitations imposed upon it. If I find that smoke is offending me then I get out of the way. Not throw my rattle out of the pram, like you all seem to be doing.

 We all have to put up with things we do not like, that is the way of the world.

I could say that having to put up playing golf behind the fourballs of today who do not understand the etiquette of the game, dress like a load of gypsies, shout and scream all the way round the course and hold me and my group up to such an extent I could also say it is bad for my health, having to be out on a course for an unecessary five hours. Seems to be the norm, these days. Full of societies with people who have no idea how to play the game.

John

If you think you are breathing fresh air now then you do not understand what is being pumped out into the atmosphere.

To blame a few wisps of cigarette smoke on everything is to be in denial of the facts.

I was not aware that we were not friends, this is, after all, a forum where every point of view should be able to be made.

 Perhaps I am too long in the tooth for all of this.

John

John,

You can spout & preach all you like but at the end  of the day (or should that be end of the month) the smoking in public places ban will be in place & if your quoting facts & figures then you can't disregard all the research that has taken place to enforce this ban.

I can't understand your argument of saying if smoke is offending you then you get out of the way!! What if a load of drug users starting shooting up next to you, would your attitude be the same (there again smoking is a form of addiction)

I personally don't care if people smoke or not what I care about is having my freedom of choice of where to visit.

My original post was not pathetic I was merely trying to inject some humour into this topc but from reading all your other posts you 'jumped' onto it & gave a 'witty' remark.

Let me know when your next going out & I'll come down & start coughing all over you & then let me see you 'just get out of the way .

John Flood,

I am entitled to my opinin and you can call it whatever you like. I am definitely not preaching, just stating the fact, that you seem to have gone overboard about something that, to me is of no serious consequence.

If you cannot understand my argument the it would be advicasble not to get involved in it.

I am surprised that because you insist on going wherever you please that you feel it is your right to stand up close to someone who is smoking. You are just being obnoxious on purpose IMO.

You are welcome down anytime you like and if you were to cough all over me then I am afraid you would have to accept the consequences for such an action.

One of the reasons I do not stand in the middle of the road is because a car might hit me and kill me.

John

Ever wish you had not started something.....

Regardless of the "who, what, where's, cough,splutter,stink,cardiac massage's and CO2 ommissions" that have graced our debate". Come the 1st of July 2007 smoking in public places in England will be outlawed...

May those who smoke kindly adhere to the laws of the land...

May those who don't smoke refrain from temptation...

May our children show wisdom when confronted with tobacco...

"V"...........1st July 2007.....

Pity it has not been applied to alcohol

John

John Pettitt,

You obviously have double standards, what if I were to say to your wife who was about to light up a cigarette up next to me "you can light that but accept the consequences". You also keep going on about alcohol & cars but you have already admitted to driving can I also assume that you are not tee total??

I am also entitled to my opinion etc but you called it 'pathetic' so it seems that you were the one going overboard.

I don't expect the divine right to stand wherever I want but I expect to be able to sit at a table & then not have to put up woth someone sitting next to me & start blowing there smoke all over me.

Perhaps what seperates us is that your wife smokes & therefore you are use to the fumes, smells & other things that are associated with it whereas I do not have any family members who smoke so therefore I do not have to put up with it.

As regards to alcohol some laws have been inforced such as people aren't allowed to drink in the streets or certain areas outside in towns etc.

Anyway make sure you wrap up warm from 1st July when you have to stand outside with your wife when she has a fag!!!

Too true, like what club do I take off the 1st tee this morning!!

John Flood,

Your arguments do not hold water, it is you who is persecuting a section of the population, not I. I prefer to live and let live. Too many people trying to tell others what to do.

 If something offends you then it is quite easy to avoid it. I have been doing it for seventy years.

 I accept the fact that what people do is their own business under the law of the land. What I cannot accept is the sanctimonious type, like yourself, who only considers himself. Perhaps you should campaign for smoking to be made illegal, as it obviously is raisng your blood pressure.

I usually use a driver off the first tee unless it is a short hole.

John

Pettit,

you are starting to sound like you look....boring. no more amount of arguing is going to change the fact that I won't have to put up with selfiish fag ash lils anymore.

Signing off... 

Correct, Lee, a forum is for an exchange of views not just a place to all praise each other all the time.

JOhn

Yeah, time for bed thread. Night night....

Oh and before I forget....Good golfing to one and all....

Yes lets lock this, because Robbie the wind up merchant has started another.

...........Me..??

Now there's a debate Wayne..........Religion on the golf course..

I for one have found myself praying over certain shots now and then...

what an emotive subject this has been, has anyone noticed it has had more viewings and more replies than any other. thought this was a golf forum.

brian robson {non smoker for thirty years used to be forty a day man ]

P.S. NOW I CAN BREATH.

Take a look at these interesting fatcs & then convince me otherwise that smoking is not bad for you!!

http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/23068824/

http://smokerness.com/category/facts/ 

People who think that because they have smoked for 30 years or more & there's nothing wrong with them should perhaps think of 30 years into the future. It's like playing russian roulette with a loaded pistol & saying "I've played it 5 times & never been shot...."

UPPERCUT.... 

"Uppercut!?! pathetic... I've had rougher rides in a bath tub with a wet flannel!"

Hugh,

What you do in the privacy of your own home is your business!!

Oh my Robbie, how unique!! You can breath.... well done sir!!

Why thank you Hugh - Yes I  can breath and now the 1st of July has arrived I can also socialise without stinking of smoke afterwards.

 On 30th June I did not have that choice..

Now that is unique my good man......

Stink of beer instead.

John

I wonder how many were over the limit as they drove home afterwards?

JOhn

John,

Not sure what kind of pub you drink in but where I go people drink their beer not throw it over themselves, I'm assuming this as I'm not sure how people's clothes could smell of beer otherwise??

As regards to being over the limit, there are also laws to deal with this as well so they are not being treated any differently. It' not as though they are getting in the car drunk & saying "if people don't like me driving drunk they should get out of the way" is it??

John. 

Drinking and driving should be outlawed totally..

But lets not go there though hey...

Or should we...

Comment respected Dave...

On with the golf...

Good luck Lee.  Regardless of anyone's views on the ban I'm sure everyone here will support you in giving up.

Good on ya Lee. Support here also...

Nice one Lee, hopefully more people will follow suit.

John.

lee, i gave up smoking 3 years ago,it is not easy but as you say it can be done good luck.

Keep it up Lee,speaking as an ex myself,it deos get easyier and you will feel so much better and you will wonder what all the fuss was all about...

All the best Lee. With a name like Benson, I suppose smoking must be in your blood.