Definition of up and down/scrambling
Hi all.
I'm currently reworking and updating some of the stats which I hope to put live this weekend and one of the things I am delibrating over is the correct use of up and down.
A few people have asked me to include this so I would welcome your thoughts on what this means.
Rather than introduce another tick box on the advanced stats for 'Up and down' I am planning to base it on if GIR (Green in regulation) is not made but you still make par then this is up and down. Would you agree ?
Also do any views on the definiation for scrambling ie a bad erratic hole but you still make par. Again I see this as another name for up and down.
Reply : Thu 29th Mar 2007 12:06
I thought the term "up and down" related to one pitch and one putt regardless of how many strokes taken to the pitch.
Thus..pitch up and putt down the hole = 2 strokes..
But I could be wrong..
Last edit : Thu 29th Mar 2007 12:23
Reply : Thu 29th Mar 2007 13:36
So would that make every one putt hole an 'up and down' If not on the green in reg?!?
Last edit : Thu 29th Mar 2007 13:37
Reply : Thu 29th Mar 2007 13:38
Think i agree with Wayne. Its only good scrambling if you make par
Reply : Thu 29th Mar 2007 13:49
Think so Phil..not certain though..
Have heard the term "got to get this up and down to save parr or bogey" on tv commentary.
Reply : Thu 29th Mar 2007 13:56
Not very often I am right and once again I am wrong....:-(
Check this site out:
http://www.golfeurope.com/almanac/golf_terms/lex_u.htm
And look under the "U"s
Reply : Thu 29th Mar 2007 14:06
Well found Robbie. That clears it up
Reply : Thu 29th Mar 2007 14:08
Just to comment on Robbie's suggestion and Philips comment
'It's all to easy to hit some not great shots and end up trying to get up and down for bogey/double. Should suit most players to have a tick box to isolate the short game from the approach play.'
For now I will stick with my original post which ties in with the link provided by Robbie. but will think about the additional tick box when I do the super stats. You are right Philip, if you are a 27 handicapper and don't make par very often 'up and down' becomes meaningless when based on Par.
So, what's a definition of 'Sand Save' again my view is pretty much like Philips idea of 'up and down' if I hit a sand trap and the bunker shot doesn't really cost me then I record 'Sand Save'
Regards,
Darren.
Reply : Thu 29th Mar 2007 14:14
The closest to sand save I can get is "sandy":
http://www.golfeurope.com/almanac/golf_terms/lex_s.htm
Reply : Thu 29th Mar 2007 14:16
And for all golfing terms I stumbled on the list whilst browsing..
http://www.golfeurope.com/almanac/golf_terms/dictionary.htm
Reply : Thu 29th Mar 2007 19:10
Looks like sand saves and sandies are the same thing:
Sandie: a Sand Save (see above) that results in a score of par or better. Sandies are counted as points in some social golf games.
Taken from Wayne's link.
To be honest I had never heard of either term until today.
Reply : Fri 30th Mar 2007 10:35
The sand save has to be for par too! otherwise what are u "saving"
Reply : Fri 30th Mar 2007 17:11
Hi all, cheers for the feedback. This all pretty much fits with how the site stats should work and just to confirm based on Hugh's comments :
Sand save - my view based on definitions and comments from Hugh and how that site is set up, is that a Sand Save is when you get up and down in 2 or less from a bunker regardless of par, so if you 1 putt or chip in.
Scrambling/up and down - Miss the green in regulation but still make par or better.
Bounceback - I will be introducing this statistics but based on over par then making par or better on the next hole.
Regards,
Darren.