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Definition of up and down/scrambling

Posted by: user8 [FORUM MODERATOR] | Thu 29th Mar 2007 10:13 | Last Reply

Hi all.

I'm currently reworking and updating some of the stats which I hope to put live this weekend and one of the things I am delibrating over is the correct use of up and down.

A few people have asked me to include this so I would welcome your thoughts on what this means.

Rather than introduce another tick box on the advanced stats for 'Up and down' I am planning to base it on if GIR (Green in regulation) is not made but you still make par then this is up and down.  Would you agree ?

Also do any views on the definiation for scrambling ie a bad erratic hole but you still make par.  Again I see this as another name for up and down.

re: Definition of up and down/scrambling
user50354
Reply : Thu 29th Mar 2007 12:06

I thought the term "up and down" related to one pitch and one putt regardless of how many strokes taken to the pitch.

Thus..pitch up and putt down the hole = 2 strokes..

But I could be wrong..

 

 


Last edit : Thu 29th Mar 2007 12:23
re: Definition of up and down/scrambling
user926 [FORUM MODERATOR]
Reply : Thu 29th Mar 2007 13:36

So would that make every one putt hole an 'up and down' If not on the green in reg?!?


Last edit : Thu 29th Mar 2007 13:37
re: Definition of up and down/scrambling
user926 [FORUM MODERATOR]
Reply : Thu 29th Mar 2007 13:38

Think i agree with Wayne. Its only good scrambling if you make par

re: Definition of up and down/scrambling
user50354
Reply : Thu 29th Mar 2007 13:49

Think so Phil..not certain though..

Have heard the term "got to get this up and down to save parr or bogey" on tv commentary.

re: Definition of up and down/scrambling
user50354
Reply : Thu 29th Mar 2007 13:56

Not very often I am right and once again I am wrong....:-(

Check this site out:

http://www.golfeurope.com/almanac/golf_terms/lex_u.htm

And look under the "U"s

re: Definition of up and down/scrambling
user926 [FORUM MODERATOR]
Reply : Thu 29th Mar 2007 14:06

Well found Robbie. That clears it up

re: Definition of up and down/scrambling
user8 [FORUM MODERATOR]
Reply : Thu 29th Mar 2007 14:08

Just to comment on Robbie's suggestion and Philips comment

'It's all to easy to hit some not great shots and end up trying to get up and down for bogey/double. Should suit most players to have a tick box to isolate the short game from the approach play.'

For now I will stick with my original post which ties in with the link provided by Robbie. but will think about the additional tick box when I do the super stats.  You are right Philip, if you are a 27 handicapper and don't make par very often 'up and down' becomes meaningless when based on Par.

 

So,  what's a definition of 'Sand Save' again my view is pretty much like Philips idea of 'up and down'  if I hit a sand trap and the bunker shot doesn't really cost me then I record 'Sand Save' 

 

Regards,

Darren. 

 

 

re: Definition of up and down/scrambling
user50354
Reply : Thu 29th Mar 2007 14:14

The closest to sand save I can get is "sandy":

http://www.golfeurope.com/almanac/golf_terms/lex_s.htm

re: Definition of up and down/scrambling
user50354
Reply : Thu 29th Mar 2007 14:16

And for all golfing terms I stumbled on the list whilst browsing..

http://www.golfeurope.com/almanac/golf_terms/dictionary.htm

re: Definition of up and down/scrambling
user50354
Reply : Thu 29th Mar 2007 19:10

Looks like sand saves and sandies are the same thing:

Sandie: a Sand Save (see above) that results in a score of par or better. Sandies are counted as points in some social golf games.

Taken from Wayne's link.

 To be honest I had never heard of either term until today.

re: Definition of up and down/scrambling
user926 [FORUM MODERATOR]
Reply : Fri 30th Mar 2007 10:35

The sand save has to be for par too! otherwise what are u "saving"

re: Definition of up and down/scrambling
user8 [FORUM MODERATOR]
Reply : Fri 30th Mar 2007 17:11

Hi all, cheers for the feedback.  This all pretty much fits with how the site stats should work and just to confirm based on Hugh's comments :

Sand save - my view based on definitions and comments from Hugh and how that site is set up, is that a Sand Save is when you get up and down in 2 or less from a bunker regardless of par, so if you 1 putt or chip in. 

Scrambling/up and down - Miss the green in regulation but still make par or better. 

Bounceback - I will be introducing this statistics but based on over par then making par or better on the next hole.

 

Regards,

Darren. 

 

 


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