handicap question

If anyone can help i'd appreciate it.

I was playing with a mate at the weekend,  he's a high handicap 27.  It was winter greens but he went round our course in 75 gross  (par is 69 at the moment due to coursework)  I would normally expect him to go round in approx 90 and have never seen him play anything like as well as he did.  It was freak round for him but still 27is too high.

He was a member at what I consider to be a difficult course and didnt renew his membership last October08.  Of course now he is no longer a member he is still playing with a group of us using his old handicap but because when he plays its not in the official club run comps. his h/cap isnt changing.

Of course  27 handicap with the ability to score like that is ridiculous so I am trying to find something offical to say how long a handicap would remain valid after leaving a golf club - does anyone know the answer?  ive had a look on the congu website and cant find anything.

I'm trying to find something that we can show him as we are going away on a golf holiday and the others in the group arent going to accept him playing off 27.

thanks all

John 

Kevin  

Yes, it was 57pts he got,  6 others all scored mid to high 30's

As you suggested for our golf trip away we are going to drop 2 shots for each win or 1  shot if its a pairs game.

We all throw a few quid in normally but already players are saying there not doing it if he plays off 27. 

I was hoping that there was a certain period that a hcap certificate becomes invalid if no comps played.

I'll order a bandit mask for him off ebay as well.

John

The answer is simple enough. As he is no longer a member at a recognised golf club then he has no handicap whatsoever, so for him to play in competition means he will have to get one, pronto.

Golfshake would be the obvious answer and I suggest that you sign him up and immediately put that round in for handicap purposes.

It is obvious that he is almost single figure category, so 27 is extracting the urine.

If he submitted 3 rounds of 76 at my local he'd have a handicap of 3.

Paul

John if he won't join Golfshake appoint a handicap secretary for the trip and cut his handicap.  I would ignore his miracle round as it came on shortened course with presumably some of the hazards taken out of play by the winter greens. You presumably play regularly with him and your assessment of his scoring 90ish on a par 69 would suggest a handicap of 20 would be about right.

John,

As Jon said, create a group on golfshake & enter his cards in for him. I wouldn't want to play for money with him either. He's mugging you all!

John.

The best thing is to get him on here and start putting scorecards in, then he will get a handicap that each of you can see.

The other way is for you to drop him yourself, you can go on the CONGU website and see how to do it, or PM with the details, SSS of course, his score and his handicap and I'll do it for you.

Then the next time you play his handicap will have been adjusted to more accurately represent his ability.

Russ

 This is second attempt:

 Anyone who has 57 pts and does not offer to have his handicap appropriately adjusted is taking the p*ss. I wouldn't play with him. I wouldn't allow him into any comp/sweepstake.  I can only assume he is oblivious to his playing partners feelings and I hasten to add that it could threaten the longevity of your group as not all people will air their views but will suffer in silence for only so long. Does he have learning difficulties? 

I'd cut him to at least 18 if he regularly scores 90, although it should be less.  Everyone is capable of pulling off a 'freak' round, but if he is down at 90 regularly, his handicap should be reflecting that. 

When I play in my Saturday morning four-ball, I'm the only one with a double digit handicap.  I'm forced to play off 3/4 and not allowed any shots on par threes (even though I should get a shot on two of them).  That levels the playing field and forces me to play better. 

Does he have learning difficulties? 

Man, is that out of order!

 OK maybe I was a bit flippant, however I was trying to illustrate that the acrimony caused by one individual can fester into the whole group disbanding. You've got to question his motivation, which, on the face of it is monetary gain at the expense of his playing partners. Play fairly or do something else. 

Far too many of this type of player around at the moment. Patrick. 57 points is 21 shots under his handicap and no one can do that, ever.

I think this is a good example that if you run a society you have got to have your own handicapping system if all the players come from different courses.  I know that the SSS system should level the playing field but it doesn't. 

The society I play in only has 9 regular members.  Three of them play on easy tracks and as a consequence have handicaps that they cannot play off when they get on harder tracks.  Three more are handicapped at 28 but aren't good enough to score well off even that lowly mark.  As a result the other three which I am one always fill the top three spots each time by shooting stableford scores of between 30 and 36.  The next best is usually in the mid twenties.

This year we are altering the club handicaps of the three that play on easy tracks upwards and removing the 28 bar on the other three to make them more competitive.  The other three of us can then stop wearing ill deserved somberos. 

I run a league, both winter and summer and if somebody shoots a good score I drop their handicap to reflect this.

Russ

 The last society I was in had about 25 regular members, all of varying capabilities, some had club handicaps,  others not but our handicap secretary was both fair and consistent about the parameters he set for pulling people. We all understood. Occasionally you'd get the freak score but anything over 40 pts he attended to, whether that score was a place or not.