Using X-Out Balls
I'm running very low on yellow golf balls and was considering getting some of the yellow X-Out Titleist PTS Roll balls that are available in American Golf for £6.99 a dozen. Apparently they are X-Out for cosmetic reasons only (incorrect stamping I believe). I plan to only use these when it's frosty, so for around 2-3 months.
I know that I can't use them in an official competition (club medals, etc) as they are technically illegal and use results in disqualification, but what's the etiquette about using these in friendlies or non-official comps such as a Golfshake event? Do you have to declare they are X-Outs before the game starts and be willing to swap for a non X-Out if one of your playing partners isn't happy? I'd welcome advice on this.
Reply : Wed 7th Jan 2009 16:06
I believe they ae only Xouts because the manufacturer is not happy with the ball, I very much doubt that they are illegal or they could not be sold in the first place.
Reply : Wed 7th Jan 2009 16:39
As you've said John, I can't see a company like Titleist (with all the legal stuff they've got going on at the moment regarding balls) selling a ball that they know is illegal.
So as long as an X-Out meets the size, weight, symmetry, etc requirements then it can be used for general play. In theory, the ball is non-conforming with the standard that the manufacturer has submitted to the R & A, so it does not appear on their List of Conforming Golf Balls. This is how the committee can declare them unusable balls in comps (Rule 33-1).
If I've got this right then, I can use these balls for general play and unofficial events with no worry. I think for etiquette reasons I would be more comfortable if I informed my playing partners of the situation before using them. Would anyone have a problem if I used one for the Belfry event if it was frosty?
Reply : Wed 7th Jan 2009 16:55
Intersting, relates to USGA and R&A http://golf.about.com/cs/rulesofgolf/a/faq_xout.htm
'if you are competing in a tournament or at a club where the Conforming Ball condition is in effect, X-Outs are illegal for play'
Question from the USGA ruling site
"Q. 'X-out' is the common name used for a golf ball which a manufacturer considers to be imperfect and has, therefore, crossed out the brand name on the golf ball. What is the status of an 'X-out' ball?
"A. The vast majority of 'X-out' balls are rejected for aesthetic reasons only, i.e., paint or printing errors. In the absence of strong evidence to suggest that an 'X-out' ball does not conform to the Rules, it is permissible for such a ball to be used. However, in a competition where the Committee has adopted the condition that the ball the player uses must be named on the List of Conforming Golf Balls ..., an 'X-out' ball may not be used, even if the ball in question (without the X's) does appear on the List."
Reply : Wed 7th Jan 2009 18:11
Chris,
I've no problem with you playing with them at the Belfry, they will still make a big splash when they hit the water!!
John.
Reply : Thu 8th Jan 2009 09:38
Cool. Didn't think there would be an issue and I didn't complain when Darren used one of them the other week! I've looked into it and apparently they were a batch that was stamped with 'DT' instead of 'PT' in error (or it may be the other way round). There's a dozen now nestling in the boot of my car. When the missus found out she just muttered "More f#&*ing balls, you've got a problem you have."
Reply : Thu 8th Jan 2009 09:43
lol
Chris, you know what they say - 'Men and balls'
Reply : Thu 8th Jan 2009 09:49
She's seen me play so she should know why I need to buy so many!