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groove sharpening

Paul Hudson


Handicap : 23.7

Posted : Fri 13th Nov 2009 13:06

hi

what tool do you use to sharpen the grooves on your wedges, there are loads available, just wondered if they are worth having?

paul

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David Marshall


Handicap : 9.9

Reply : Fri 13th Nov 2009 13:12

Best thing I ever bought. Worth every penny.

 

  Buy It Now or Best Offer£14.99+£2.2514d 1h 2m
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Tim Hawkins


Handicap : 16.2

Reply : Fri 13th Nov 2009 13:48

Certainly better than the clubs you've bought

 

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David Marshall


Handicap : 9.9

Reply : Fri 13th Nov 2009 13:51

Yah think ??

What would you know anyway?...You can't even use the ones' you have 

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Darren Ramowski

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Handicap : 21

Reply : Fri 13th Nov 2009 13:59
Some info here on the groove sharpener - http://www.golfshake.com/news/view/1207/CozmoSports_Soft_shot_ball_Groove_Cleane
r_STX_Putter.html
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David Marshall


Handicap : 9.9

Reply : Fri 13th Nov 2009 14:07

And this shows you how it works

 

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Tim Hawkins


Handicap : 16.2

Reply : Fri 13th Nov 2009 14:10

Just a quick question.  How does it 'sharpen' the grooves?

 

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David Marshall


Handicap : 9.9

Reply : Fri 13th Nov 2009 14:31
don't be such a dweeb, Hawkins
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Jonny P


Handicap : 4.9

Reply : Fri 13th Nov 2009 14:36



As a result of hitting hudreds of balls, turf and the odd bunker stone, the edge of each grove unsuprisingly gets worn down over time, edges get gouged nicked and narrowed in and that all effects the spin effected on the ball.

Groove tools simply clean those edges up in the same way a file would clean up the edge of a rusty piece of iron - therefore sharpening them in the process.

 

 

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David Marshall


Handicap : 9.9

Reply : Fri 13th Nov 2009 14:40

What did you have to go and do that for Jonny?

I prefered it when 'Mr Thicky' from Thicksville was in ignorant bliss

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Tim Hawkins


Handicap : 16.2

Reply : Fri 13th Nov 2009 14:49
You should know better than to take the p*ss, there's always a serious question behind my apparent facile enquiry.
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David Marshall


Handicap : 9.9

Reply : Fri 13th Nov 2009 14:57

I know I am going to regret this...

 

Come on then...What's the serious question?

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Wayne Santorini


Handicap : 0

Reply : Fri 13th Nov 2009 14:58

I have one and it certainly helps to keep the grooves in perfect nick

I did my mates wedges for him when I was visiting Wales as he was complaining he couldn't get the ball to stop, when I showed him the groove sharpening tool and asked him have you used one of these he said "No" he didn't know what it was, and having had his clubs 4 years had never done the grooves.

Suffice to say he is a really happy bunny now.  

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David Marshall


Handicap : 9.9

Reply : Fri 13th Nov 2009 15:01

Not sure you need a tool to make your balls stop, Waynetta..

 

You need something to make them GO in the frst place

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Wayne Santorini


Handicap : 0

Reply : Fri 13th Nov 2009 15:03
Am I forever to be pestered by your inane comments Davina
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David Marshall


Handicap : 9.9

Reply : Fri 13th Nov 2009 15:04
Y E P
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Tim Hawkins


Handicap : 16.2

Reply : Fri 13th Nov 2009 15:35

OK, the edges of grooves aren't meant to be sharp in the first place, they have always had to have a small radius although they can near be parallel into the face (the new rule changes don't affect the bounding fillet radius of the groove, just the draft angle).  If it were to have sharp edges they would last maybe one or two strikes before they disappeared.  Now, if when you use this tool you get appreciable amounts of swarf (metal cuttings) generated then it may well be that it is cutting the edges to sharp (illegal) and in reality you would only be able to use it two or three times before you wreck the club.  If, as I suspect, it cold forms the edges that have been damaged then that's OK, but it will still leave damage on the face.  Another problem would be that if it cold forms then the tool would be completely self-defeating with wedges with spin-milled faces.

Feeling pedantic this afternoon. 

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Patrick Bourke


Handicap : 11.1

Reply : Fri 13th Nov 2009 15:42

 Fair point tim. I was under the impression that you're allowed to clean the grooves (sharpening them would surely bugger your ball up quickes whether legal or not) and to do that the implement must be softer than the clubface. I use a drawing pin.

 There is always graduation which I think means reinstating the grooves to factory state but that can be expensive as a club repairer I knew told me.

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David Marshall


Handicap : 9.9

Reply : Fri 13th Nov 2009 15:50

OK..

It cold forms the edges. It doesn't take any swarf. It does sharpen the edges, but like you say it wears off after a round or two. It also gets all of the 'muck' out of the grooves, more so that cleaning in warm soapy water and a scrubbing brush. Or in your case, toothbrush

However. This tool is designed for clubs that have never been sharpened since they were new. I noticed that having had my clubs for a year and a half, the edges of the grooves were indeed rounder than they were when I first got them. After 'sharpening' all of my clubs, it has showed a definite improvement in being able to get spin on the ball. Naturally the ball gets roughed up a bit. But I can live with that.

Finally. I have 'sharpened' the grooves on my spin milled wedges, no problem at all.

 

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Tim Hawkins


Handicap : 16.2

Reply : Fri 13th Nov 2009 15:56
The cold forming will roll the metal back into the spin-milled faces, not much - but it will.
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Dave ley


Handicap : 9.7

Reply : Fri 13th Nov 2009 16:07

Is that an engineering term in the vid " removes the surface S##t"

This is the one I use  a bit more proffessional

It caters for V and U grooves and will only re-cut and shape the grooves back to original specs.

http://www.golfsmith.com/products/828720/?tcode=cj

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Tim Hawkins


Handicap : 16.2

Reply : Fri 13th Nov 2009 16:09

It can only re-cut it once, once the metal has gone, it's gone. 

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Jonny P


Handicap : 4.9

Reply : Fri 13th Nov 2009 16:34

The grooves get pushed inwards over time; even after they have been re-cut they can get all funked up.



 

 

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Dave ley


Handicap : 9.7

Reply : Fri 13th Nov 2009 16:38
Hence why Touring Pro's change their wedges reportedly every couple of months.
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Wayne Santorini


Handicap : 0

Reply : Fri 13th Nov 2009 19:41
And it does create swarf!!! I know because my mates wedges had loads where every edge had become rounded, now their clean and sharp and he gets backspin that confuses him
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Wayne Santorini


Handicap : 0

Reply : Fri 13th Nov 2009 19:45
Dave L they do that for the simple reason their wedges wear in a small area only, as they are precise hitters, a mate of mind actually played where Thomas Bjorn started out, (silkersbord I think )and they have a set of his clubs that he presented to them when he won his first tournament, apart from a small circle of wear in the middle of the sweetspot they look as if they have never been used!!!!!!
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Patrick Bourke


Handicap : 11.1

Reply : Fri 13th Nov 2009 22:30
 When all's said and done can we honestly say it makes that much difference?
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David Marshall


Handicap : 9.9

Reply : Fri 13th Nov 2009 23:01

I have noticed the difference.

But,  I am fastidious about keeping my clubs in perfect condition.

 

I've also never produced swarf, when sharpening the grooves. So goodness knows how much pressure Wayne was applying. I followed the instructions on the video I pasted above.

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Wayne Santorini


Handicap : 0

Reply : Fri 13th Nov 2009 23:46
Pat they make a difference and if you dont think so, your on the wrong planet!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Robert Jess


Handicap : 5

Reply : Wed 25th Nov 2009 14:27

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Tim Hawkins


Handicap : 16.2

Reply : Fri 15th Jan 2010 11:00

Sorry Robert, the groove sharpener will go blunt whatever it's made out of.

A2 will only reach HRc 65 before tempering, will be lower after post hardening heat treatment otherwise it would be too brittle.

M42 HSS can be hardened and heat treated to HRc 70.

(Sorry, bit grumpy with a hangover)    

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David Marshall


Handicap : 9.9

Reply : Fri 15th Jan 2010 11:04
Bet the grumpiness will have gone in 3 weeks time, Tim
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Wayne Santorini


Handicap : 0

Reply : Mon 18th Jan 2010 10:21
I'll have mine with me when I go to the Algarve in 18 days time
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