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Is This Legal?

Russell Middleton

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Handicap : 14.7

Posted : Sat 7th Nov 2009 17:08

I was thinking about keeping my golf ball warm now that the temperature is getting lower.

Normally, between the green and my next shot I will keep my golf ball in the palm of my hand, and also in my pocket.  Hopefully this will keep the ball warm enough for it to perform normally.

Then I thought about getting one of those pocket hand warmers and keeping a golf ball in there.  Then having two golf balls, and using each one for one hole and then change it for the warm one, whilst putting the used ball in the hand warmer.

Taking this to it's extreme, I could, now that the winter rules are with us, change the ball for each shot.

At the moment I'm using Pro V1x golf balls.

I know that in a competition you have to use the same golf ball for the entire round, but is there a rule that would prevent me from changing my golf ball for a warm one, of the same make, after each shot?

Russ

Last edit : Sat 7th Nov 2009 17:14
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John Pettitt


Handicap : 18

Reply : Sat 7th Nov 2009 18:12

I know that in a competition you have to use the same golf ball for the entire round, but is there a rule that would prevent me from changing my golf ball for a warm one, of the same make, after each shot?

What happens when you lose a ball, Russ, giue up the round entirely. Of course not.

It is perfectly legal to have another ball in your pocket, keeping warm and using it on the next hole. Of course you notify your playing partners of the change of ball.

A ball can also be changed at any time if you deem it is in such a poor condition etc but the ball cannot be used again during that round.

Last edit : Sat 7th Nov 2009 18:12
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Patrick Bourke


Handicap : 11.1

Reply : Sun 8th Nov 2009 11:10
 Russ perhaps you could paint an inch long uranium enriched paint line on your ball and kill two birds with one stone.
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Chris Perry

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Handicap : 13.4

Reply : Mon 9th Nov 2009 12:21
I'm sure you have to hole out with the same ball that you start the hole with unless you declare that ball lost under penalty, which totally defeats the object.  There's nothing to stop you changing ball between holes. 
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John Pettitt


Handicap : 18

Reply : Mon 9th Nov 2009 17:01
As  said before, Chris, one can change a ball if one deems it unfit for play at any time during a round. The only proviso is that the ball, once changed, cannot be used at any time during the rest of the round. One does not have to wait till the next hole to do so.
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John Flood


Handicap : 11.9

Reply : Mon 9th Nov 2009 17:03

So effectively you could use up to 36 balls in a round by deeming your 1st ball off the tee unfit & replace it with another one for your 2nd shot.

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John Pettitt


Handicap : 18

Reply : Mon 9th Nov 2009 17:10

Interesting that one, John, but one usually shows the ball to ones playing partners pointing out how the ball has become unfit. As I also said, once deemed unfit for play then it can no longer be used in that round, so working on  your theory one would need to carry a lot of balls. Are you up to it?

In the old days it was a common occurrence when one hit a balata a bit thin then it puckered up like mad.

 

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Wayne Santorini


Handicap : 0

Reply : Mon 9th Nov 2009 18:20
But at least it smiled at you John
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David Homer


Handicap : 14.1

Reply : Mon 9th Nov 2009 18:20
I could use over a 100 if i damaged my ball on every shot!
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Colin Stevens


Handicap : 9.5

Reply : Mon 16th Nov 2009 18:37

Its illegal;

14-3/13.5 Golf Ball Artificially Warmed

Q. Is the use of a golf ball that was purposely warmed during a stipulated round with a golf ball warmer, hand warmer or any such device a breach of Rule 14-3?

A. Yes. Use of a ball that has been purposely warmed during a stipulated round with an artificial device constitutes a breach of Rule 14-3. However, it would not be a breach of Rule 14-3 to use a ball that was artificially warmed prior to the stipulated round. (Revised)

 

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John Pettitt


Handicap : 18

Reply : Mon 16th Nov 2009 18:43
Not illegal to warm it in your pocket as that is not artificial.
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Wayne Santorini


Handicap : 0

Reply : Mon 16th Nov 2009 19:31
Long John Silver might not be able to argue that one Mr P  arrggghhh me hearties
Last edit : Mon 16th Nov 2009 19:33
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David Ferris


Handicap : 15

Reply : Tue 17th Nov 2009 01:14
as john said the ball can be changed at any time in the round if it deemed not up to scratch but you must notify your playing partner/s of the change and if necessary show them. at least im pretty sure thats what i read in the r&a handbook. as for warming your ball, you may not be allowed to warm it artificially or whatever it says but you are allowed to carry it in your pocket so its gonna get warmer in there anyway although tbh its gonna get cold very quickly again after taking it out for play so im not sure its really gonna make a huge lot of difference.
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Russell Middleton

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Handicap : 14.7

Reply : Tue 17th Nov 2009 13:35

Moving on from this subject, here's another question.....

Could I keep a spare ball in my pocket and use it just for putting?

The last three rounds I've played my ball is covered in dirt by the time I get to the green.  So I wipe it with my towel but the dirt is still there and it could affect the way my ball rolls.

So my idea is to keep a clean ball in my pocket and then when I mark my first ball on the green I replace it with my clean ball to putt out with.  Then back on the next tee out comes the dirty ball....

I'm certain I know the answer but what do you think?

Russ

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John Pettitt


Handicap : 18

Reply : Tue 17th Nov 2009 13:52
Of course you know the answer, Russ, don't even think about it.
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Russell Middleton

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Handicap : 14.7

Reply : Tue 17th Nov 2009 14:59

Yes John, I know the answer..... 

I do think I will have to get one of those ball cleaners that I can hang from my bag.

Russ

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Wayne Santorini


Handicap : 0

Reply : Tue 17th Nov 2009 15:23

Clearly your not cleaning your ball properly if the dirt is still there Russ,

I carry a small towel in my left pocket,(size of a face flannel) that TG gave away in one of their issues some years ago. Perfect for the job especially when the ball is on the green and you don't want to walk back to your bag for the larger towel.

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Steve Cowle


Handicap : 0

Reply : Tue 17th Nov 2009 17:51

This time of year I ususlly take one or two clubs more depending on how much of my own breathe I can see.

With regards to cleaning your balls just make sure you don't lick them, although my dog seems to enjoy it!

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Wayne Santorini


Handicap : 0

Reply : Tue 17th Nov 2009 18:47
Can't reach mine
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Paul Everett

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Handicap : 18.3

Reply : Tue 17th Nov 2009 20:00
Get a dog then Wayne
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Wayne Santorini


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Reply : Tue 17th Nov 2009 20:10
Paul!!!
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Tim Hawkins


Handicap : 16.2

Reply : Thu 19th Nov 2009 12:44

OK, haven't got much on a the moment so have just tried an experiment.

Have kept a Srixon AD333 in my pocket for the last hour or so, it's nice and warm.  I placed another in the freezer.  I then drop tested both of them on my old ball noise signature plate (old thread - some might remember it) and guess what?  The cold ball rebounded about 50mm higher!  This is obviously because it's slightly harder with a more efficient transfer of energy off the hard plate.  Therefore a cold ball will, in fact go further but will be a lot less receptive to spin.  So what you need to do Russ is to adjust the temperature of the ball according to the distance of the shot....... 

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Darren Ramowski

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Handicap : 21

Reply : Thu 19th Nov 2009 12:47

Top tip Steve

This time of year I ususlly take one or two clubs more depending on how much of my own breathe I can see.

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Wayne Santorini


Handicap : 0

Reply : Thu 19th Nov 2009 13:06
If i want to keep a ball cold I'll stick it in the missus's pocket, it'll freeze in there
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Jonny P


Handicap : 4.9

Reply : Thu 19th Nov 2009 13:12

OK, haven't got much on a the moment so have just tried an experiment.

Have kept a Srixon AD333 in my pocket for the last hour or so, it's nice and warm.  I placed another in the freezer.  I then drop tested both of them on my old ball noise signature plate (old thread - some might remember it) and guess what?  The cold ball rebounded about 50mm higher!  This is obviously because it's slightly harder with a more efficient transfer of energy off the hard plate.  Therefore a cold ball will, in fact go further but will be a lot less receptive to spin.  So what you need to do Russ is to adjust the temperature of the ball according to the distance of the shot.......

Is the difference in hardness found above more of less than the difference in hardness between a premium soft ball, and a cheap distance ball I wonder?

A few guys I have played with in the past use hard balls for Par 5s and soft ones for par 3's and short par 4s.


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Tim Hawkins


Handicap : 16.2

Reply : Thu 19th Nov 2009 13:27
Jonny, don't know, will have to see if I've got a Pinnacle somewhere..
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Patrick Bourke


Handicap : 11.1

Reply : Thu 19th Nov 2009 14:14
 I suppose that makes sense Jonny. Do all balls have to weigh the same or be within a range?
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Dave ley


Handicap : 9.7

Reply : Thu 19th Nov 2009 16:18
A few guys I have played with in the past use hard balls for Par 5s and soft ones for par 3's and short par 4s.

That to me appears to be technically cheating morally at least ,I do know a professional would not be allowed to do that.
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Wayne Santorini


Handicap : 0

Reply : Thu 19th Nov 2009 18:24
Any organised game (comp, medal etc) it wouldn't !!! however if you can't do it legally why do it all????? Surprised you allowed that JP
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John Pettitt


Handicap : 18

Reply : Thu 19th Nov 2009 22:55
Patrick, all golf balls must weigh the same. i.e 1.62 oz.
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Jonny P


Handicap : 4.9

Reply : Fri 20th Nov 2009 11:56
Wayne, Dave -

There is no rule to say you can't change balls, so long as it's done between holes.

The PGA Tour do have a special rule - 'one ball' - that means you must only play the specific brand and type of ball you start with, but the R&A have nothing of the sort, even in medals and official club comps.

It would be quite a hard rule to justify too if you think about it, your average club golfer has a bag full of an eclectic mix of lost & founds and just grabs the first one he sees. If we had a one ball rule, we'd all need to stock up on just one brand.
Last edit : Fri 20th Nov 2009 12:00
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John Flood


Handicap : 11.9

Reply : Fri 20th Nov 2009 11:59

A few guys I have played with in the past use hard balls for Par 5s and soft ones for par 3's and short par 4s.

Why isn't this allowed? As long as you play the hole out with the same ball where's the rules being broke.

I agree with Dave, it's morally wrong but I'm sure I heard a story about Monty once where he played a new ball on every hole.

Surely if your in a medal or comp & before you tee off you declare what ball your playing with your within the rules? I may be wrong & there maybe a case where you can't reuse the same ball (I know that is true if you declare it unplayable).

Wouldn't this be the same with people swapping to a 'wet' glove when it rains & then back to their normal glove when it stops?

** You beat me to it Jonny **

Last edit : Fri 20th Nov 2009 12:00
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Jonny P


Handicap : 4.9

Reply : Fri 20th Nov 2009 12:04
I don't see why it's  morally wrong to be honest.

One could argue it's no different to the option we have of selecting the right club for a situation. You have a bag of clubs each with different characteristics and you select the one that fits the purpose best, and the ball is just an extension of that.

Personally I will play anything I can find (especially when playing poorly) but I make a point of trying to keep the ball the same throughout the round so you know how it's going to react on the greens.

But that being said, I take no offence if someone was to swap balls mind round.
Last edit : Fri 20th Nov 2009 12:05
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John Flood


Handicap : 11.9

Reply : Fri 20th Nov 2009 13:51

But that being said, I take no offence if someone was to swap balls mind round.

 

OUCH!!!

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Dave ley


Handicap : 9.7

Reply : Fri 20th Nov 2009 17:39

Probably being a bit pedantic but it's not something I would feel comfortable doing. I only use the same make and model ball when ever I play in general play or competion.

Perhaps I should carry a pinacle gold for them longest drive holes

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