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Justin Pardy

is there any update on when we will be able to view putts per GIR on a consolidated basis rather than a round by round?

 cheers

 Justin

John Pettitt

Personally I do not believe that stats tell one which department of the game needs work.

Where would you rather be, Justin, on the fringe of the green 10 feet from the pin, or on the green but 40 feet away, with the risk of a three putt. I know my choice.

One stat shows a GIR, yet the ball just off the surface is the one you would choose everytime.

Likewise the FIR, I would rather be 260 yards down the hole and just in the first cut than 200 down the fairway.

Steve Marino in the Open championship was 356 yards down one hole but a foot off the fairway, this counts as a fairway missed, but was in prime position.

Justin Pardy

Gary Hand

I think a round by round result is better for me anyway as the 2 courses I regularly play are miles apart in terms of greens. On Lakeside I expect (note the word expect doing this is not allways so easy) too 2 put from any position on the majority of greens on the Cavendish I'm glad to 2 put from anywhere outside 4 feet as the greens are so tough. Consolidating the 2 putting averages would make my average look good compared to the tough greens at Cavendish and bad compared to the easier greens at Lakeside. Stats are a good way to track progress but they do need to be look at carefully and like John says above not relied on to heavily as there are many factors they do not account for.

Ian Fellows

I've found the stats to be useful in focusing my improvement (such as it is) on the most important areas but I take John's point about GIR and FIR being moot.  I could probably hit every fairway in regulation if I took a five iron off the tee but if I go with a three wood to light rough much farther down the fairway then I'm better off.

To counter this anomoly I tend to count every putt off the green as a putt to get a clear picture of the number I take and every playable second as a FIR.  I know that it's bending the rules but as they're my rules for my benefit and this is the way it needs to be to give me a clear picture thenso be it.

Likewise, if duff a three wood forty yards I don't count it as a FIR even if it's stumbled its way onto the fairway somehow.

John Flood

Tim Hawkins

Chris Perry

Justin,

Be careful about making comments such as that when you don't know the person you feel has a 'lack of understanding'.  When John has calmed down he will inform you that he is retired, has had a triple heart bypass, has dodgy kness and used to play off scratch. 

I use the stats to try to highlight where I have and haven't played well, but they can be misleading.  Given that the Belfry's greens can be anything up to 35 yards long, I have been known to chip when on the green.  On some holes, I'd rather miss the GIR and have a chip than hit it and leave a ridiculous putt.  On these occaisions a 3 putt is not too bad a return.  I tend not to hit many GIR, so a low putting score is more a reflection of how well I have chipped than putted.  More often than not, a high GIR % is coupled with a high putting score. 

Justin Pardy

John Pettitt

I should imagine any self respecting professional or good amateur would know which department of his game he needs to work on. Stats can be made to produce all kinds of results, none of which will help to improve ones abilities. Only practice and an ability to diagnose ones own faults will help achieve this aim.

My handicap has no bearing on my knowledge, Justin and as I have no wish to be moderated I will be relatively behaved in my response.

Having looked at your recent results one could say that your time working with many pros in Australia and the UK does not seem to have done you much good.

Justin Pardy

John Flood

these damn Mod's they spoil all the fun are such wonderful people!!

Edited by Mod - I have the power Floody, don't forget.  Lots of love CP

David Lythgoe

Justin,

A word of advice.

Don't come on a Forum and take all the members on face value, get to know them and their past first.

John P may show a Hcp of 16.9 but what does that mean to you, "the fact he doesn't know what he's talking about" or that after being off Scratch his health has suffered and he does well to get round and plays off 16.9?

You yourself talk about being influential with the Pro's yet fail to inform us of how that comes about.

So let on, what is your connection with the Pro's?

TheLyth

John Pettitt

Justin, the majority of us are not in a position to have a coach constantly monitoring our swing, and even if we did have this facility, the coach would have to be able to determine the exact cause for certain faults that he has spotted. Therein lies the rub, finding the correct cause of a problem, not fiddling around with different possible solutions.

Statistics have no bearing at all in this, they are just for reassurance and information. A stat is not going to improve your swing one little bit as they tend to lie, as I have already explained.

To improve in this game takes a dedication that the majority of us are not willing to take, though I would love to be able to practice, I find it hard work and I am one of the few players around who just jump out of my buggy, hit it and jump back in  again,. I don't take a practice swing even as it wears me out. Those who know me will confirm that I am probably the worst off the tee in the world, but I am prepared to bet money that if I were to drop a ball 275 yards down the fairway on any course, that I would not be far off par.

David Marshall

Justin Pardy

Although I am wondering why I feel the need to reply to any of this as this started as a simple question which could have had a very short answer..... 

anyway here goes and can't wait to read the replies this is bound to generate... 

During my five years in Australia I spent a significant amount at http://www.ahpga.com/ (I started on a handicap of around 30)(while their website is dire the academy is not!) where I spent time playing with some of the up and coming Australian Pro's (male & female) and some junior European ones lucky enough to afford the trip down under. Also through my own business I have two clients (both now good friends as well) who travel the world lecturing to the various PGA's - www.thegolfathlete.com and www.golfbiodynamics.com through which I have been introduced to a variety of people.(But I daren't get into how mobility restrictions influence the golf swing in case that sets off a whole new debate!). Now in the UK I have met and played with/caddied for several of the regional tour players in both the Eastern and Southern region and have been chatting to them about both the stats side of things alongside the biodynamic implications which are only just starting to be appreciated in this country.

 now I've answered your question would someone be kind enough to answer mine?

Darren Ramowski

Justin, just sent you a PM.  Hopefully very soon with some other stuff.

In relation to this post, in a nutshell it's each to his own.  The forums are only accessed by a fraction of the golfshake members with the majority using the site for score and handicap tracking. For which everyone will use the system, reports and analysis in their own unique way.

There are some updates coming soon, John Flood including some of your suggestions from 2008, so if anyone is interested in being a guinea pig and accessing/testing the next score tracker verion then please let me know.

John Pettitt

Your question, Justin, can only be answered by the owner of the site. I suggest you drop him a PM.

Posting your question in the forum section was never going to get you your answer, but, as you know, forum members are an inquisitive bunch and all topics tend to spread out to other things.

I am sure we are all aware that fitness and flexibility play a large part in how we play this wonderful game, but when someone  does not have the capacity to exercise, like myself, it becomes rather difficult to do what the brain is telling it.

We are very accommodating on this forum and I like to think, a pretty friendly bunch, so please do not disappear as I am sure you have a lot to offer.

Just remember that no matter how well you strike a golf ball, the bottom line is that putts have to be holed to score well and this little problem cannot be solved by any other means other than by practicing everything one needs to know, in order to putt consistently well..

John Pettitt

Chris Perry

Jamie Armstrong

The only stat I try to remember, even more than my round score, is how many duffers I've had.

My play is good enough for me to be comfortably better off than I am, and I agree with my playing partners assessment that I should not be playing off 28 (I am more than capable of getting par on a hole and often do). [Edit - By often, I mean often in a round I'll grab one or two, not that I make it a habit on a high proportion of holes]

I don't care how many putts I take.  If I take 36 putts by 2 putting every hole, I'm happy as long as I've hit the green with my approach.  If, however, I've missed the green and have to chip on every time and THEN 2 putt every hole, clearly I'm less than happy.  So for this reason, although I mark it out of habit, I don't care about my number of putts, because I know I putt reasonably well.

Once I know I can consistently hit the same shot again and again, and that my card isn't ruined from a combination of wayward directions and topping the ball, then maybe I'll start to worry about stats, but I doubt it.

John Flood

Chris,

I feel violated now

Darren, what did I suggest back in 2008? I'll gladly do some testing.

Alun Jones

That was the best "Pardy" I have ever witnessed. Keep up the good work Justin :-)