Bandits and how we deal with them

I am posting what we do at our club in respect of pointing out who the bandits are

I realise that my mentioning the word seems to bring out the humourless amongst us who cannot take the joke of being called a bandit in the way it has always been intentioned.

 

 

ROLLUP BANDIT OF THE YEAR   APPEARANCES Handicap Bandit   Qtr 1 Qtr 2 Qtr 3 Qtr 4 Total Movements Ratio                                 Brian Biles 0 9 5 10 24 7 3.43 Gordon Jackson 7 5 5 1 18 5 3.6 Ian Donnison 8 8 2 7 25 6 4.17 Mark Weston 5 10 5 5 25 6 4.17 Mike Childs 10 14 10 11 45 10 4.5 Steve Beck 13 9 5 6 33 7 4.71 Curt van Eycke   10 15 11 36 7 5.14 Hannah Lindsay 4 6 7 4 21 4 5.25 Ron McKendrick 5 9 11 7 32 6 5.33 Darren Atkinson 13 14 17 15 59 11 5.36 Tom Jones 4 6 8 4 22 4 5.5 Bill Crosher 12 17 10 7 46 8 5.75 Terry Jones 3 8 7 5 23 4 5.75 Steve Allwork 3 6 3 6 18 3 6 Alan Hudson 5 11 2 0 18 3 6 Jodi Wood   7 8 3 18 3 6 Peter Parker 13 8 9 7 37 6 6.17 Nobby Allwork 7 8 4 7 26 4 6.5 Dave Spray 13 11 11 11 46 7 6.57 Phil Starmer 7 4 9 7 27 4 6.75 Dave Howell 3 9 8 9 29 4 7.25 John Treen 3 8 3 8 22 3 7.33 Guy Goodey 9 9 14 5 37 5 7.4 Domel Grewal 14 12 13 7 46 6 7.67 Dave May 11 10 7 11 39 5 7.8 Derek Payne 4 8 6 7 25 3 8.33 Clive Dixon 11 10 9 12 42 5 8.4 Jim Goodwin 2 11 10 11 34 4 8.5 Duncan Kerr 2 11 3 1 17 2 8.5 John Pettitt 12 13 6 5 36 4 9 Reg Diggins 6 8 8 2 24 2 12 Allan Paice 8 8 6 7 29 2 14.5 Joe Fitzsimmons 5 9 3 6 23 1 23 Dick Houghton 16 13 8 14 51 2 25.5 Brian Brockbank 1 11 11 10 33 1 33 Barry Morgan 9 9 11 12 41 0 0

 

You will have noticed that I am way down the list as a qualifier for being called a bandit and that is how I like it.

Incidently this is for our Mondays and Thursdays Roll-up where winners are punished severely in handicap cuts.

 

 

My original post is now as I intended it to be in the first place, thanks to Darren for managing to sort out how to post it.

I quite like the idea of having a bandit ratio!!!

John, what a good idea.

I like it.

Russ

Luke just because you want to be at the top of a list!!

John,

Call me thick (& you probably will)  but how is the ratio worked out?

John.

I would not dream of doing that, John, last time I did, you threatened to knock my block off.

It is the number of times one has played divided by the number of times ones handicap has been cut. 

It is easy to see who has been winning the money most of the time. We do have two divisions 0-18 and 19-36 just to give the lower handicaps a chance.

Cheers John.

So how does this name & shame go down with your fellow players??

John.

I am quite sure that those who know they are bandits could not care less, those of us who lose our money most weeks just congratulate the winner and shrug our shoulders.

There is always a bit of banter but none of it is serious.

John. must check this out. looks good banter.

This was yesterdays roll-up report and as one can see full of banditry.

Hi My thanks to Darren for forwarding the scoring for Monday.  Very honest of him given his own score! No sooner have we awarded the 2008 Bandit of the Year when another contender hove into view with Sean M recording a win in Group 1 with a 44 and the pleasure of playing off 14 for his next game.  Darren had the frustration of receiving a cut without winning with his 41.  In fact there was very good scoring across the board so it must be the warm dry weather that brings out the best in you all. In Group 2 we had another runaway winner with Ian T who received a mere 3 point handicap cut.  (I have no contact details for him so he will not be officially aware of this!).  Jodi was once again the bridesmaid in Group 2 but his 1 point cut promotes him to Group 1 next time.  Perhaps you luck will be better there Jodi. I hope that the course is booked for next Monday with the first 09.30-10.30 block booking (I will check tomorrow) so look forward to seeing all you tigers then. A Merry Christmas to all you swingers and clubbers. Best Wishes Mike   

Scores for

Next game's 22-Dec-08Playing HandicapNobby Allwork3021Steve Allwork 34Ken Anthony3324Darren Atkinson4110Derek Auburn 29Mike Barham2526Steve Beck3020Brian Biles 19Brian Brockbank 16Chris Buncher 15Mike Childs 14Ray Childs2628Paul Crosby 13Bill Crosher 15Greg Cullingham 19Malcolm Davis 18H Dhesi 16Reg Diggins 21Ian Donnison2910Clive Dixon3325Jenny Fairbairn 27Joe Fitzsimmons2736Bill Forsyth 21Gill Fowler 21Alan Friar 27Guy Goodey 35Jim Goodwin3626Domel Grewal306Simon Hargrave344Mike Hobden 23Dick Houghton3720Dave Howell318Alan Hudson 19Chris Hunt 17Ben Inness 29Gordon Jackson 26Terry Jones 21Tom Jones 29Duncan Kerr 15Denis King 28Hannah Lindsay 25Dave May 18Ron McKendrick374Sean McQuillan4414Kevin Miles 6Barry Morgan 28Rod O'Hara 14Allan Paice2918Peter Parker2928Derek Payne 24John Pettitt 13Dennis Priestley 14Steve Pye3928Paul Quartermaine 11George Ramsay 20Sean Reynolds 17Roly Richardson 23Les Selwood 16Dan Skitt 25Henry Shannon  Dave Spray3916Tony Stanley 16Phil Starmer 18Graham Taylor 23Ian Thewlis4225Janice Thomas 23John Treen 12Curt van Eyck 12Mark Weston 21Geoff Wickes 23Ron Williams 17Jodi Wood4018Average Score34 Number Playing

Wayne, yes will add but maybe just within the groups/society functionality.  Maybe too much for the overall site.

I do have a similar list for handicaps and over the last year the average handicap adjustment on golfshake.com from Jan to Dec is about 3 shots.  So track your scores on golfshake.com and save yourself 3 shots

What would you do to sort this lot out it's a BANDIT fest , for me to compete i would have to shoot under par  or close too every week. This is what I have to put up with or rather I dont,I refuse to enter.These are four comps at my club the scores on the last two comps which ave not been listed yet on Howdidido.com  have been as high as 48pts. There are 2 siglle figure golfers on these stats most of my friends who are single figures are down the bottom posting 36- 38pts and these comps are all non qualifiers.   Comp 29th Nov Mr Jeff Collins 46 12.5
Mr Lyndon Williams 45 19.5
Mr DS Hone 43 16.3
Mr LH Allsopp 43 21.0
A Michael Woodward 42 14.5
Mr J Baker 41 18.2
Mr Craig Jones 41 12.1 Comp 18th Nov Mr Lyndon Williams 45 19.5 After Count-Back Mr Sam Holland 45 11.9 After Count-Back Mr Haydn Darke 45 10.6 After Count-Back Mr John W Ford 44 14.5   Mr J Holdaway 44 13.3   Mr M Baker 44 19.1   A Michael Woodward 43 14.5   Mr DS Hone 42 16.3   Mr E Morgan 42 17.0   Mr RJ Hodson 42 19.5   Mr D Barter 42 12.9 Comp 16th Nov Mr S Kelleher 46 24.0
Mr MA Lewis 44 16.2
Mr D Elworthy 43 12.6
Mr M Baker 41 19.1
Mr Lyndon Williams 40 19.5
Mr SD Reed 40 11.5
Mr Robert Smith 40 5.5
Mr R Lowe 40 10.1
Mr J Burns 40 22.5 Comp 11th Nov   Mr MJ Morris 44 7.4
Mr Haydn Darke 44 10.6
Mr P Dacruz 43 18.1
Mr Craig Jones 43 12.1
Mr M Baker 43 19.1
Mr William Ridler 41 10.8
Mr Jack Evans 40 15.4
Mr DP Baker 40 13.6

Well David, Lyndon Williams is obviously a cheat as twice in a row he has played nine better than his handicap.

Looking at all the scores they all need a drastic cut in handicap. You don't stand a chance in that group and neither would I.

David, How come Lyndon's handicap has not been cut? I think you need to get some new golfing buddies.

Danny,The Hcp hasn't moved as they are non qualifing as they are comps under our winter local rule which is pick and place throuh out the course as it gets very wet, or as i call pick and cheat. The above list are not buddies they are fellow club members a couple on the list are bods M Morris R Smith and Billy Ridler who has asked for his  hcp to be dropped ,The new club Captain has now started dropping some of these guys on general play. Here is the latest comp just put on the web They have now dropped Lyndon ( I don't know him must be a recent member)3 shots and  hey he has still played better by 9 shots
 Dec 20th
Mr Lyndon Williams 45 15.7   Mr Keith Birt 42 17.9   Mr R Prior 41 7.0   Mr Jeff Collins 41 11.1   Mr Andrew Sanders 41 17.4   Mr D Barter 41 12.3   Mr J A Channing 40 13.0   Mr A J Tullett 39 22.6   Mr Andrew Mitchell 39 10.5   Mr William Ridler 39 10.8   Mr John Ferguson 39 17.6   Mr R Lowe 39 10.1   Mr D Elworthy 38 12.6   Mr AJ Bees 38 18.8   Mr PV Mills 37 13.7   Mr Gareth Cooper 37 14.5   Mr S C Williams 37 4.0

We see this sort of cheating at our club, in winter the "pro" tee's are removed and the yellows are used for the comps and all the comps are non h.c. tracked, you would'nt believe the silly scores that win these autumn/winter sweeps. For example 40 plus pionts off 3/4 h.c. regularly wins these things, if you're an honest player you have no chance of winning so we never bother to enter, shame really. 

Tony , I;m a member of two clubs and the highest scores at my other club in the last  2 months has been 39pts.

David these scores are pretty high, imo, off full h.c. never mind 3/4. In the summer I won a comp with a net 68 and got 3rd in another with a net 72 so these players must cultivate a false h.c. during the h.c. tracked summer months and just wait for the cash prizes in the winter comps. Personally I think the club should get a grip of this and stop it, but I don't know how they could do it, obviously its not just a problem with my club judging by the above posts.

Ha ha, serves him right! 

 Must admit I have been on the receiving end of the NZ handicapping system in another way:  I went (back) home after an extended stint in the UK having played very little golf over here.  I joined back at my old club which had converted to the new system and resumed on my old handicap (7 at the time) which I struggled to play to.  I stayed on this for about 8 months having played only 3 rounds of golf (a rugby season was in between!) with scores of 73 (Feb, and one of those dream rounds), 91 and 93 (both about Sep).

 After putting in the 3rd card I got cut to a 4.3!!!  Apparently you get handicapped on the best of 3 cards when resuming a handicap....took a while and a great deal of practice to get back to a "comfortable" 7.3...

I have posted some results from my club before and the scores were outrageous but this week really takes the biscuit.

 

Club Directory > PARC GOLF CLUB > Competition Results > EGG RUN No 9 > 28/Feb/2009 > Non Qualifier > CSS:67 > Division 1

  Player Score New Exact
Handicap Comments Mr S Kelleher 54 19.5   Mr J Holdaway 49 13.3   Mr Paul Dare 48 17.5   Mr Dean Jones 47 21.5   Mr S A Veryard 45 20.6   Mr Lyndon Williams 43 15.7   Mr MS Doody 43 9.9   A Michael Woodward 42 14.5   Mr Robert Smith 42 5.6   Mr GA Sutton 42 10.8   Mr IJ Fagg 42 9.3   Mr Mark Speed 41 12.1   Mr MJ Ward 41 9.8   Mr AS Mackie 41 15.9   Mr A J Tullett 41 22.6   Mr M Ryan 40 12.3   Mr R Davis 40 8.7   Mr R Dorrell 40 20.5   Mr DS Hone 40 16.3   Mr Edward Beecher 40 16.7   Mr Craig Jones 40 10.5   Mr M Dwyer 40 14.5   Mr R Lowe 40 10.1   Mr K Moses 40 14.0   Mr WB Price 40 13.7   Mr PG Mackie 40 12.0   Mr G Hone 40 14.8   Mr N Rice 39 12.5   Mr Haydn Darke 39 10.6   Mr Bill Carr 39 21.5   Mr AD Clark 38 15.0   Mr DW Pedlar 38 24.0   Mr SJ Ash 38 5.6   Mr Mathew Sanders 38 18.1   Mr J Hiscocks 38 19.3   Mr GB Conlon 38 16.7   Mr D Lane 38 13.3   Mr RS Hopkins 38 11.3   Mr JA Holmes 38 13.7   Mr Joel Kennedy 37 17.5   Mr M Baker 37 17.1   Mr John W Ford 37 14.5   Mr S Martin 37 13.3   Mr Keith Birt 36 17.9   Mr W Foley 36 11.4   Mr Andrew Sanders 36 17.4   Mr DC Lewis 36 12.5   Mr RF Davis 35 15.8   Mr Joe Kane 35 13.6   Mr HP Burke 35 9.3   Mr DE Aldridge 35 16.4   Mr D Hoare 35 17.8   Mr RG Free 35 21.6   Mr RF Jones 35 14.7   Mr P Dacruz 35 18.1   Mr NB Cummings 35 16.5   Mr AJ Bees 34 18.8   Mr Edward Hinkin 34 11.1   Mr Jeff Collins 34 11.1   Mr PJ Elias 34 19.5   Mr DP Baker 34 13.7   Mr Peter J Matthews 34 23.7   Mr S Russell 34 18.8   Mr J Baker 34 18.3   Mr WG Webb 34 14.8   Mr David Woodham 33 16.3   Mr R Coomer 33 13.8   Mr MJ Morris 33 7.5   Mr MF Tonkin 33 17.4   Mr RJ Hodson 32 19.5   Mr T John 32 14.4   Mr Glyn Thomas 31 17.7   Mr Stephen Free 31 13.0   Mr David Milligan 30 10.4   Mr SJ Whittaker 29 6.2   Mr J Smart 29 14.2   Mr Gary Miller 29 24.0   Mr Dwayne Nel 28 11.5   Mr MA Burns 28 14.9   Mr E Morgan 28 17.1   Mr Hugh Williams 27 13.3   Mr Carl Roberts 13 24.1                   &n
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I have posted some results from my club before and the scores were outrageous but this week really takes the biscuit.

 

Club Directory > PARC GOLF CLUB > Competition Results > EGG RUN No 9 > 28/Feb/2009 > Non Qualifier > CSS:67 > Division 1

  Player Score New Exact
Handicap Comments Mr S Kelleher 54 19.5   Mr J Holdaway 49 13.3   Mr Paul Dare 48 17.5   Mr Dean Jones 47 21.5   Mr S A Veryard 45 20.6   Mr Lyndon Williams 43 15.7   Mr MS Doody 43 9.9   A Michael Woodward 42 14.5   Mr Robert Smith 42 5.6   Mr GA Sutton 42 10.8   Mr IJ Fagg 42 9.3   Mr Mark Speed 41 12.1   Mr MJ Ward 41 9.8   Mr AS Mackie 41 15.9   Mr A J Tullett 41 22.6   Mr M Ryan 40 12.3   Mr R Davis 40 8.7   Mr R Dorrell 40 20.5   Mr DS Hone 40 16.3   Mr Edward Beecher 40 16.7   Mr Craig Jones 40 10.5   Mr M Dwyer 40 14.5   Mr R Lowe 40 10.1   Mr K Moses 40 14.0   Mr WB Price 40 13.7   Mr PG Mackie 40 12.0   Mr G Hone 40 14.8   Mr N Rice 39 12.5   Mr Haydn Darke 39 10.6   Mr Bill Carr 39 21.5   Mr AD Clark 38 15.0   Mr DW Pedlar 38 24.0   Mr SJ Ash 38 5.6   Mr Mathew Sanders 38 18.1   Mr J Hiscocks 38 19.3   Mr GB Conlon 38 16.7   Mr D Lane 38 13.3   Mr RS Hopkins 38 11.3   Mr JA Holmes 38 13.7   Mr Joel Kennedy 37 17.5   Mr M Baker 37 17.1   Mr John W Ford 37 14.5   Mr S Martin 37 13.3   Mr Keith Birt 36 17.9   Mr W Foley 36 11.4   Mr Andrew Sanders 36 17.4   Mr DC Lewis 36 12.5   Mr RF Davis 35 15.8   Mr Joe Kane 35 13.6   Mr HP Burke 35 9.3   Mr DE Aldridge 35 16.4   Mr D Hoare 35 17.8   Mr RG Free 35 21.6   Mr RF Jones 35 14.7   Mr P Dacruz 35 18.1   Mr NB Cummings 35 16.5   Mr AJ Bees 34 18.8   Mr Edward Hinkin 34 11.1   Mr Jeff Collins 34 11.1   Mr PJ Elias 34 19.5   Mr DP Baker 34 13.7   Mr Peter J Matthews 34 23.7   Mr S Russell 34 18.8   Mr J Baker 34 18.3   Mr WG Webb 34 14.8   Mr David Woodham 33 16.3   Mr R Coomer 33 13.8   Mr MJ Morris 33 7.5   Mr MF Tonkin 33 17.4   Mr RJ Hodson 32 19.5   Mr T John 32 14.4   Mr Glyn Thomas 31 17.7   Mr Stephen Free 31 13.0   Mr David Milligan 30 10.4   Mr SJ Whittaker 29 6.2   Mr J Smart 29 14.2   Mr Gary Miller 29 24.0   Mr Dwayne Nel 28 11.5   Mr MA Burns 28 14.9   Mr E Morgan 28 17.1   Mr Hugh Williams 27 13.3   Mr Carl Roberts 13 24.1                   &n
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Dave,

How the hell can you score above 45 points let alone score 54 points!!!

The handicaps are abviousley wrong & someone needs to cut them on general play.

John.

He has been cut by 4 on general play somethings not right,but most won't move as it's a non qualifier .I would have to shoot a 58 to win & 65 gross to come 3rd  and they wonder why most of the clubs single figure's don't enter these silly winter comps.

Presumably the winner shot around 3 over gross ?

Half of the players scoring inside their handicap is ridiculous.  A couple in the low 40's is feasible in such a large field, but 27 players scoring 40+!!!!  If I were a single figure member, I'd be joining a new club.  The top 5 are cheats with false handicaps. 

Gross 75 Darren his Hcp was 24 cut to 19.5 , only 18 shots better than hcp. He would have been cut 5.4 if a qualifier but hey have cut him 4 on general play. It's all mallarchy either way .  I played the same course myself Saturday in a team match I was +3 for 16 holes which is where my match finished. Top score at my other club that I'm a member of was 38pts. I hope my maths are correct.

Is it a particularly easy course Dave or does it favour a certain type of player e.g. big hitters can find most greens off the tee? 

Being off 24 and playing to 15 is about acdeptable as a one-off round.  Being off 24 and playing to 6 means he is a cheat.  I would refuse to play in any comp that he was in and he should be up in front of the committee.

All winter there are no bunkers in play and its pick,clean and place throughout the course and plays about 300yrds shorter. The open championship on average produces a gross score of 70 from scratch or very low hcp players ,we have had one at 64 which raised a  few eyebrows.I played that day and the course was there for the taking no defence anywhere and not a breath of fresh air and sun on your back. I had second best nett 63 that year so must have played quite easy. I would say more quirky than anything bogies follow birdies if you get my drift.Kev or JP might analyze it from a neutral perspective but regardless those scores are making the club look ridiculous

Jonny , totally agree unfortunately three words come to mind head,bang,wall.It would never happen at a private club i'm sure.

I have been told today that the 54 pointer has been slashed to 12 along with some others.

Dave,

& in response to John's original post, that's how you deal with bandits!!

John.

ps can't wait for my Nike combo's