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Darren Ramowski

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Regards, Darren 

John Pettitt

Luke Tricker

Im not sure about the intelligent part but it is certainly a problem i know about! My trouble is that this is my "go to swing". So if i dont warm up or think about it then this swing comes out of the bag for the front nine at least. Its probably why my front nine scores are much worse than my back!

I knew i had an out to in swing path, but never realised how much, it really does make a massive difference seeing it for yourself. I will now work hard to put right...this could knock about 10 shots off my game!

Jamie Armstrong

John Pettitt

Wayne Santorini

John Pettitt

Jamie, it is not me who has to correct it, but if you look at the video the downswing, in Lukes case, is initiated by his turning the top of the body towards the target as the first movement of the downswing casusing the path of the club to be outside to in.

The engine room of a golf swing is not the upper body but what is below the waist.

The body turns away from the ball and a resistance should be felt in the lower back caused by the shoulders doing a full turn against the resistance of the hips which do not turn as much. We are now nicely coiled up ready to attack. The downswing is initiated by transferring the weight from the inside of the right foot to the left foot and turning the hips back to square before the shoulders move. The shoulders should not move forward of square until the left hip is cleared through the ball.

So in a nutshell keep your right shoulder back and hit under the chin and not round it.

David Ley will probably be able to explain it all better and with more clarity.

John Pettitt

Jonny P

I'd just try to keep your right shoulder back for as long as possible on the downswing. Swing your arms not your body - of course your bodyw ill swing, but it's the feeling you want.

Christopher Watmore

I think looking at Darren's swing he needs to change a few things in his setup, get the weight a little more evenly spread on the feet, seem to be on your heels which explains why your left foot shifts about. Also the left foot turns out in the downswing and followthrough because you've not shifted your weight onto the left side, driven through the ball as a Pro might say, but stayed very much I'd assume with weight maybe 50-50 between left and right at address with it shifting to 60-40 in the backswing favouring the right side and then staying there through the shot.

Also another thing with your address position which is something I spot as it effects me too and probably effects every person who wears glasses, but your have your head too low at setup, your chins tucked down which restricts your shoulder turn and movement. Your chin needs to be up more to maintain the spine angle, and give room under it for your left shoulder to pass. Problem is for guys like us wearing Glasses as soon as you lift your head up all you can see is the frame of your glasses and if you try looking under it, you might not be able to see at all.

Jamie Armstrong

I think that makes sense John, thanks.

I've never had my swing be called into question about being like this, but I'm always interested in the mechanics of it all, scientific mind and all that.  Problem I have now is, now that's in my mind, I can't remember for the life of me how I swing.

It's all nice extra bits and pieces though.  Lessons are still required, and keep getting bumped by expenditure on other stuff (not fancy wedges or anything though, I don't buy into all that). 

Colin Stephens

The 'instincts' of both these swings are fine .... for them !

The swings look better than their handicaps (my view) 

Butch Harmon would work with what they have Leadbetter would try to change it 'technically'

But Hey ! it's a jungle out there !!! I would recommend Butch (if you have the money)

My guess is listening to replies as provided will probably not enhance your games

listening to yourself because you both have had enough advice to 'reflect' is more important - you just need to concentrate on "what you already know"

Dave ley

 Thanks John,enough clarity in your post there fella,just acouple of observations on the causes from me.

Luke , you are taking your club to upright as oppossed to around this is causing your left shoulder to dip,this combined with your right elbow way to high ,you have nowhere to go except push your hands forward( unless your furyk or couples).Your left shoulder is now going to pop up causing your shoulder line to be  way open. (watch Darrens take away and copy) Lower body movement is pretty good. Make sure you extend your club/arms down the target line.

Go swing a club around your body with your arms straigth out infront of you........Where's your elbow??

Darren, nice take away to the top ,where you break down is  the lower body (ChrisW picked up on) its all a little strickly come dancing (sorry mate) . You need to get yourself more connected to the ground (watch lukes legwork and copy  but feel the ground) ,imagine your butt sat on a bar stool and stay seated through out swing .. Go do the carpet drill from " pull hook" thread.

Darren Ramowski

Ta.

For anyone interested, carpet drill for pull hook