when ball plugs on edge of the green

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Matt Haycox

Handicap : 18

Posted : Thu 19th Nov 2009 07:34

i play last sunday.i hit my pw from 100yld to the green and landed on the edge of the green and my ball pluged,what is the rule when this happens?do u get a drop?

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Patrick Bourke

Handicap : 11.1

Reply : Thu 19th Nov 2009 08:54

Hi Matt, I would have thought that as it's on the green you can mark your ball, repair the pitch mark and there you go.

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Christopher Watmore

Handicap : 12.4

Reply : Thu 19th Nov 2009 09:35

On the Green, you get to mark, lift the ball, clean it, repair the pitchmark and then replace the ball without penalty.

On any other mown area from Tee to Green, you get to mark, lift, clean and drop without penalty.

In rough you can only mark, lift and replace, you can not clean the ball.

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Patrick Bourke

Handicap : 11.1

Reply : Thu 19th Nov 2009 14:17

Thanks for that Chris. I played withh a society that insisted you play as it lies in the rough which I always thought was wrong bbut there you go, you live and learn, albeit 10yrs to late.

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Jonny P

Handicap : 4.9

Reply : Thu 19th Nov 2009 14:41

Patrick, you play the ball as it lies in the rough - you can't lift and drop unless there is a local rule.

So in all probability your society is correct in saying you should play it as it lies.

25-2. Embedded Ball
A ball embedded in its own pitch-mark in the ground in any closelymown
area through the green may be lifted, cleaned and dropped,
without penalty, as near as possible to the spot where it lay but not
nearer the hole.The ball when dropped must first strike a part of the
course through the green. “Closely-mown area” means any area of the
course, including paths through the rough, cut to fairway height or less.

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Dave ley

Handicap : 9.7

Reply : Thu 19th Nov 2009 15:07

Matt ,this is the rule for your Question,

25-2. Embedded Ball

A ball embedded in its own pitch-mark in the ground in any closelymown

area through the green may be lifted, cleaned and dropped,

without penalty, as near as possible to the spot where it lay but not

nearer the hole.The ball when dropped must first strike a part of the

course through the green. “Closely-mown area” means any area of the
course, including paths through the rough, cut to fairway height or less.

Patrick,in your instance the Society was correct unless a local rule is inforce for abnomal ground conditinons or a winter rule.

If your ball becomes embedded in the rough you play as it lies or take an unplayable lie.

(we all know what rough looks like )

If the player deems his ball to be unplayable, he must under penalty of

one stroke:

a. Play a ball as nearly as possible at the spot from which the original

ball was last played (see Rule 20-5); or

b. Drop a ball behind the point where the ball lay, keeping that pointdirectly between the hole and the spot on which the ball is

dropped, with no limit to how far behind that point the ball may

be dropped; or

c. Drop a ball within two club-lengths of the spot where the ball lay,

but not nearer the hole.

If the unplayable ball is in a bunker, the player may proceed under

Clause a, b or c. If he elects to proceed under Clause b or c, a ball

must be dropped in the bunker.

When proceeding under this Rule, the player may lift and clean his ball

or substitute a ball.

PENALTY FOR BREACH OF RULE:

Match play – Loss of hole; Stroke play – Two strokes.

Last edit : Thu 19th Nov 2009 15:16

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Dave ley

Handicap : 9.7

Reply : Thu 19th Nov 2009 15:08

Sorry Jonny obviously working on it the same time

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Gary Hand

Handicap : 19

Reply : Thu 19th Nov 2009 16:13

At this time of the year on you not on winter rules anyway where you play? Usually you would be able to pick clean and drop on any area through tyhe green at this time of year.

Strangle enough on rule 25-2 does that apply to USGA I know a guy who got DQ from a comp for lifting from a plugged lie in the rough but he only did it as he was sure he had seen a pro do it on the TV, I'm not sure I've ever seen a pro do it but could there be a variation on this rule.

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Matt Haycox

Handicap : 18

Reply : Thu 19th Nov 2009 16:45

thanks for the comment,but why do u not get a drop when you go in the bunker and it plugs??

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Jonny P

Handicap : 4.9

Reply : Thu 19th Nov 2009 16:56

Becasue it's a hazard.

It seems harsh, but hazards are there to punish poor shots, so to talk of a bad lie in a hazard is a bit of an oxymoron.

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Wayne Santorini

Handicap : 0

Reply : Thu 19th Nov 2009 18:21

Nice to see you both on the ball regarding rules

(Leyo & JP)

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Steve Cowle

Handicap : 0

Reply : Thu 19th Nov 2009 20:33

Pro's have there own set of tournament rules, one being embedded ball. In the rough we get a free drop as well, providing it is embedded in the earth and not just the long grass itself.

I think it should be a general rule anyway, it is hard enough getting it out of the rough let alone if it's plugged.

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John Pettitt

Handicap : 18

Reply : Thu 19th Nov 2009 21:56

Steve, I have come across some of these special rules. I was playing in a Pro Am at Penina, Portugal, with Martin Foster. The course had suffered torrential rain and they had to cut channels in the greens to try and get the water away. They introduced a rule, that, because of the sodden ground, there would be lift, clean and place within 1 club length.

Martin hit a shot to the green and it finished a foot off the putting surface on the fringe. He, lifted the ball, cleaned it and placed it within the club length rule, but on the actual putting surface. I could not believe it.

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Patrick Bourke

Handicap : 11.1

Reply : Fri 20th Nov 2009 23:44

Intersting stuff, thanks Jonny P and DL. There is a course in Leeds called Wike and is notorious for the lack of drainage hence plugging in the rough. I find this a ridiculous rule as there is a definate risk of injury.

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Russell Middleton

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Handicap : 14.8

Reply : Sat 21st Nov 2009 13:07

I read/heard that if the ball is plugged in the rough that you are allowed to roll it out of the plug mark.

You cannot pick up the ball or clean it, simply roll it out of the plug mark so you can take your next shot.

Russ

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David Lythgoe

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Handicap : 2

Reply : Sat 21st Nov 2009 13:23

Russell.

A Golf Club can have a Local Rule that allows for an "Embedded Ball" to be lifted and dropped Through the Green, which then includes the rough. But your 'Rule' is not any part of an Official Ruling. May be a "Boys Rule", same as rolling a Ball into a better lie under Preferred Lies.

TheLyth

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